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Monday, September 26, 2005

Today's story (by worma)

Here is what Sanjay Manjreker has to say on 'the issue'...this portion is the theme of his opinion
For me, this difficult choice that they have to make, is not so much between two people as it is between two ways to go ahead in Indian cricket.


..but before choosing, those in the say must also heed to this:
Coming back to the current issue, before the decision is made, the BCCI will surely talk to Chappell and Ganguly and if after that, they feel they need to go the Chappell way, it’s important they also find out whether the rest of the team and not only the new captain is ready to go the Chappell way.

For, you are talking of those players who found much of their success the Ganguly way.


Peter Roebuck also has a look at the controversy, and has advice for sides.

Meanwhile, there's even a leak of the questions that the committee is supposedly going to put up to GC and SG!

This story, in HT, gives a list of names supposedly on 'one side' and this one carries Bhajji's explanation on what he 'actually' meant, while giving statement in support of SG(and supposedly against GC)

Meanwhile, news doing the rounds that the dices are getting loaded in favour of SG, for the review meeting. Calling up the tour manager, who has already started giving statements refuting GC's claims, is one of them. Ahh...looks like big mess-up coming up.


A personal note, there would be a week-long blogging hiatus from my side...am on 'vacation' as they say here (yes in my part of the world they do have it!). Anyways...will keep a close eye on the 'news' around the showdown....and may the 'best' side win :-)

update : Do read this piece from Rahul Bhattacharya on the current situation. So far, probably the most balanced analysis of all the issues.

111 Comments:

  • if the dice is being loaded in the favour of SG, then everything thats good about Indian cricket will be flushed down the drain... And if GC goes, who do they think will be appointed the coach ? Who, in thier right mind will want to coach this bunch?

    Amarnath ?

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:58  

  • They will bring back Anshuman Gaekwad as the coach for the next few seasons.. Or Ajit Wadekar is always there, waiting for an opportunity!!

    By Blogger whoami, at 09:01  

  • lol whoami!!!! and then kapil paaji.. wow.. we have the position of coach all fixed for the next ten years :))

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:04  

  • Rahul Bhattacharya


    A marriage gone sour too soon

    Commentary by Rahul Bhattacharya

    September 26, 2005



    Greg Chappell's methods don't seem to have hit home with a significant section of the Indian team © Getty Images

    Look where we're stuck now. Sourav Ganguly, cornered, fighting, armed with supporting evidence and affidavits, will respond point by point to the contents of the most read email in the history of cricket. The review committee which meets tomorrow (why must Jagmohan Dalmiya be on it?) will have before it sets of claims and counter claims to negotiate, and no power save that of an advisory body. It will emerge that both parties have told some truths or what they believe to be the truth and both parties will have told some half-lies. Inevitably the issue will be politicised.

    Eventually one man must have to make way. That man ought to be Ganguly; yet the irony is that, thanks to a calculated leak by the board, in being accused he now has his greatest chance of redemption.

    A few points. It needs mentioning here that Greg Chappell, acknowledged thinker though he may be, has little to show for as coach. He took over South Australia in 1998-99, much like he did India, a messiah, in charge of a team that had tailed off after a high. The expectation in the state then was that he would do a Malcolm Blight, the Aussie Rules Hall of Famer who had just coached a mediocre Adelaide Crows outfit to a pair of premierships in his first two years. Quite to the contrary, Chappell's five years saw SA finishing fourth (out of six), fourth, last, fourth and fourth.

    One SA journalist says that Chappell `helped develop several poor performers into handy ones but found it difficult to communicate well with the lesser players. His major battles came with the state's administrators and the conservative culture of SA. The relationship ended with both parties thinking they could have got more out of each other.' Another SA observer thought Chappell overly theoretical, unable perhaps to connect with the team, and half-jokingly described his tenure as `reign of terror'. Whatever, that South Australia won a championship under Chappell, as was mentioned in a few news reports in India either shows the sheer sloppiness of journalists or else indicates how enamoured they were of him.

    And the press Chappell got in India was so fabulous that it immediately made one wary. Chappell does like the press, and he does talk a good game. He sought out the Indian media and wooed them with a presentation of his vision for Indian cricket on the last tour to Australia; barely a day has gone by in his tenure so far that an exclusive interview is not granted. Far more worrying is the number of journalists who routinely receive detail and opinion, plenty of it in writing, that really ought to remain inside, unless the idea in the first place is to spread the word.

    Is it unreasonable to harbour mild scepticism of Chappell? Leave aside Ganguly, the noises emerging from a significant section of the team indicate that he has not been able to hit home with them. By introducing the coloured hats of Mr de Bono he can come across to players as much a bullshit artist as enlightened guru; by expressing displeasure over players whistling or singing, as some have claimed, he risks being seen as an unbearable bore rather than a hard taskmaster. There is no telling yet if the Chappell way will work simply because there is no evidence of it.

    Chappell's first objective of making India look beyond Ganguly is not just fair but necessary; yet reading his own account of trying to destabilise the captain before the Test match makes you wonder. He saw a moment which he tried to exploit, to finish off Ganguly. But what were the percentages here? What odds that Ganguly would indeed stand down on the eve of a Test match against Zimbabwe when he's trying to save his career?

    Has Chappell been able to foster an atmosphere of positivity? Looking back at his early days, when he was presented with an England team that had scraped bottom, Duncan Fletcher said, "The first thing I say is that you win as many games in the changing room as you do out in the field." It is worth analysing - and it is the more profitable area for the review committee to concentrate on for it is the younger members and not Ganguly who are important now to India - how much of this has been the wailing of slackers and how much of it is down simply to ineffective coaching. If the dissidents, and several of them have been pulled up for attitude before, are using this standoff as an opportunity to pave an easy path then they are not worth a moment of indulgence.

    The big worry for Indian cricket has become that a player rebellion against Chappell will take its final form in the reappointment of Ganguly. That Ganguly must be replaced as captain ought to be non-negotiable, email or no email. It is a decision that would have ideally been taken four months ago. The details remain open to dispute, but not much in Chappell's email has surprised the majority of journalists.

    And there is a point in that. Much of the Chappell `vision' is something any half-astute observer could tell you. Chappell's job is that of execution. Has he the ability to? Crucially, is the system prepared to allow him to? These are questions which will only be answered over time but they must be raised.

    Despite the scepticism offered here, my personal opinion is that Chappell must be given the latitude and the duration to work things his way, to toughen up the side as is his brief. Ganguly, due respect and all, has nothing really to offer the future of Indian cricket. With Chappell we will not know unless we let him have his shot. Unpleasant as it may be, Indian cricket must brace itself and make the leap. We could come to owe him. It may help if Chappell, committed to holding up an unforgiving mirror to the team, can also hold it up to himself and consider his management of men. Perhaps he could start by dropping the MBE.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:06  

  • How about playing without a coach? Federer also became No.1 without a coach, who knows Indian team might achieve the same.

    By Blogger MS, at 09:32  

  • hmm the manager has a weak link in his argument. The fact that there was no MRI (or scan?) facility in that part of Zim does not imply that Gangs did not want that test to be done or that he shirked the game/ practice. What say? Anyway need not consider such blokes seriously who are just glorified taxi hailers for the team, on an overseas trip that has been earned on a 'backscratching' indebtedness.

    By Blogger Ramji, at 09:32  

  • WOW....great article by Rahul....no wonder he is amongst the best of cricinfo men!!....Most balanced views on this issue that I have seen so far.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:32  

  • shri and whoami,
    While your predictions are humorous, I swewar, if they come true, that will be it for me. I love Indian cricket, but I cannot stand watching them self-destruct. If the BCCI actually decides to let go of Chappell, hire a domestic coach (puppet), and retain Ganguly, I will quit following cricket. As Mahendra said, "enough is enough." Can anybody envisage any possible improvement in performance under Ganguly without Chappell. HELL NO! On the other hand, with Chappell at the helm, minus Ganguly, at least there is hope. In fact, I would say there is more than hope, a near certainty of improvement. But that's just my opinion. This blog is a fantastic outlet to vent...

    By Blogger Sahir, at 09:34  

  • Sahir.. You have to factor in the fact that the team is polarised at the moment. And the lightning rod is GC. While we all want the best for Indian cricket,and I agree with you fully that GC should stay, does the BCCI have the guts to stand up to these "super stars" and say that either fall in line or else?

    BTW, did u notice Bhajji retracting his comments ?
    :))

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:39  

  • The Money Houses are speaking now....

    ***
    Zee hopes not to get cricket telecast rights

    New Delhi, Sept 26: The stand-off between the captain and the coach and the chaos in the cricket board's annual general meeting has upset Zee Telefilms Chief Subhash Chandra to such an extent that he is no longer keen to acquire the exclusive rights for cricket.

    "I hope I don't get it now," Chandra said when asked if he was optimistic about cricket rights as well after his channel today signed a 10-year deal of exclusive telecast rights for football.

    "People are disappointed with cricket. It's TRP ratings fell to 300-odd during the Sri Lanka series and further to only 60 during the recently concluded Zimbabwe series," he said.

    "I don't have to tell you what is happening in the the cricket board," he said.

    Chandra said he wanted to make India a sporting nation rather than a cricketing nation only.

    By Blogger P K, at 09:40  

  • On the issue of captaincy, the selectors need to look at Ganguly's record as the ODI captain in the last year and a half. On that basis alone, Ganguly needs to be relieved of captaincy duties. And after the next ODI series against Lanka and Africa, they can evaluate whether Dravid did a good job as ODI captain and whether Ganguly rediscovered his form - they need to lay down requirements - an average of 40-45 in teh 10 ODIs with a couple of significant contributions and a strike rate of 75-80 will mean Ganguly is coming back in form. Also they need to compare his performance with Kaif and Yuvraj and then decide who is best suited for the Test spot, once SRT returns. If Ganguly can make the Test team, well and good. If not, then thanx for the memories, wish you all the best Mr Ganguly. in any case, Dravid should be made the captain of both the Test and ODI teams.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:42  

  • GC will be out. Team vs Coach...easy pick. SG will be in team, RD the captain. AGaekwad/RBinny will be interim coach.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 09:44  

  • On a serious note, my gut feeling says that Chappell has indicated to every one of them that reputation does not matter if its not matched by performance. i.e. perform or get out.. Some in the team are not comfortable with it, having taken the job for granted based on past glories, adulation and what not..

    This is quite fundamental, and its fairly obvious that we all go thru it. Perform or find another job.. Well, not so with indian cricket. They need to be in the comfort zone all the time, no matter what they do. Looks like an un-named union has been formed now. Someone should make it clear that the places in the team are up for grabs every series and you need to prove yourself consistently to be assured of a place in the team. After all, there is nothing better to motivate you than a place in the team, and not the other way around that you need a cushy place in the team to give your best.. Besides, if you really do well, all these will fall in place..

    And just like the way politicians handle crisis, we evaluate the messenger and not the messege. And the media moves into GC vs SG and who is bigger, and starts questioning the credentials of either of them.

    Note : I am surprised that Balaji is also a part of the SG union.

    By Blogger whoami, at 09:46  

  • If SG is in the team and not the captain.. what makes you think that the team wont be polarised and that SG will throw his entire weight behind RD? SG is no SRT to put team first...
    And a team cannot have two leaders..

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:48  

  • whoami - well said - that the players dont need to feel secure of their positions to give off their best.. it should be the other way round.. if they perform they stay, if not get out.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:49  

  • shri/sahir,

    i hope that it does not happen either. It directly translates to bye-bye to 2007 WC..

    By Blogger whoami, at 09:50  

  • The other thing that is being overlooked is the amount of money riding on each of these players... SRT is worth more than 100 crores... SG, just of the basis of being captain, can pull in 5 crores..Do you really think they can give up that kind of moolah for the greater good of the team.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:51  

  • Its already good bye 2007 barring a miracle..

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:52  

  • Dungarpur blasting Dalmiya and claiming that Wright told him that he wasnt continuing because of Ganguly's and Dalmiya's high handedness:
    http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/26bcci.htm

    Who knows? Maybe this nasty Ganguly business was going on for a long time. Its just that Chappell didnt prefer to bend over and take it in his rear like Wright did

    By Blogger Vijay, at 09:58  

  • Worma,

    there is no win win scenario left, not even for one side.

    What is left is the best of Loose Loose scenario.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 09:58  

  • What is Ganguly's performance as a captain in test matches?

    Check this on my blog-site:
    http://myhistoryisinteresting.blogspot.com/2005/09/analysing-gangulys-performance-in-test.html

    By Blogger madhugr, at 09:58  

  • btw, there was a LOT of hue and cry on this blog during the NZ final for SG NOT changing the batting order. But look what GC has to say and obviously, who is at fault here?

    will the anti-SG gang here along with their ring leader Mr.Panicker accept that SG was not to be blamed for that? how do we know that SG did not want Dhoni sent ahead and Venu left behind? The drill seargeant GC was protecting the "delicate" egos of the "middle-order bats"!!!

    Yeah right - what am i expecting! Ppl here owning up to mistakes? ;-)


    "His nervous pacing of the rooms during our batting in the final plus his desire to change the batting order during our innings in the final had also contributed to nervousness in the players waiting to go in to bat. "

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 09:58  

  • The solution may be to drop both SG and GC. Increasingly the negatives of GC are also coming on the fore front. These also need to be looked at. But the greatest service GC has done is that he has stirred the hornet’s nest here. He has shaken these superstars out of their slumber. Even this may be good enough service, for he has done more service on this front for Indian cricket than Wright did in 5 years. That SG must go( provided the email contents are true) is a foregone conclusion. Finding the truth won’t be tough get SRT, AK, RD, VVS and JW to tell it as they see it, also guys like gloster and leipus and the trainer will tell u all the details. These guys are professional and some are not even currently with the side and they will give the true picture. Sunny already had stated some of these facts when he acted as a batting consultant ( at least no can abuse an Indian coach the way our players do with JW). And also bruce reid ( zaks is mentally lazy!!!)

    By Blogger Avinash, at 09:59  

  • cricktip...you say loose loose only if GC turns out to be a wrong choice...otherwise SG going and GC retained is a win scenario..right??

    ...and if GC turns out a wrong choice later (take a mix of Rahul and Manjreker's views...thats what we should do now)..then obviously Indian cricket will have to pay a price for making a wrong choice...

    By Blogger worma, at 10:03  

  • Dungarpur also claimed that the games within the BCCI are having an adverse effect on Rahul Dravid.

    "I don't remember when he has got bowled so regularly. It just shows he is low at the moment, and the reason is that he was zipped out as a captain once Ganguly had served that ban and came back into the side."


    ROFL - RD getting BOWLED is also SG's fault. What? Is RD such a namby-pamby? cmon, give that guy more credit!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:03  

  • avinash.. dropping both SG and GC is the quick fix solution.. but then what.. who captains and who coaches.. does the team fall in line behind the coach and skipper? with groupism as rampant as it is today, can the new skipper pull his punches?

    And if GC goes, the message is that player power is supreme and they can do what they want irrespective of consequences..

    The fundamental question is not who goes and who stays, but what needs to be done to get this team cohesive and performing as an unit.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 10:05  

  • In all this furore, the simple point remains that ganguly does not merit his place in either the test or the odi team as a batsman and must be dropped for that reason alone.

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 10:08  

  • A question -- in the abstract -- for this forum:
    In India, are we unique as far as the concept of the dhobi ghaat is concerned? I don't know that anybody else washes dirty laundry in public as much as we do.

    From my limited experiences here in the U.S., I see the media rumor-mongering and gossipping as bad as any other, but when asked to maintain a respectful distance on sensitive issues, I would think anybody would comply...not apparently the Indian cricket media, nor its constituents.

    Maybe as fans who are a little more sensitive--and sensible--than the players in "the issue" we can hold our silence and keep the peace...by not taking sides, at least not in public.

    As Prem said, I think, in an earlier blog here, this is a difficult time for one of our most beloved passions.
    How can we look to be problem solvers and not fire-stokers?

    Having said that, I sincerely hope that Gavaskar, Shastri and Venkatraghavan -- as ex-cricketers who have been there and done that as opposed to the jokers that make up the board --address the issue with cricket's best intersts in mind.

    By Blogger dna, at 10:08  

  • GC should go!!! Drop SG,bhajji and anyone else as well, if that is what is required to get GC out.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:10  

  • Mock do you really think Prem is gonna answer you on that? Did you notice in email GC talks about SG making the middle order batsman nervous. Treating them unfairly. Can anyone tell me How many changes we have seen in the middle order in last 5 years in tests?

    By Blogger Vick, at 10:11  

  • vick,

    Of course he wouldn't. But I had point it out ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:15  

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    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:17  

  • GC is one inconsistent chappie. At the start of his tenure, he talks about people eing flexible and should be comfortable batting at any place depending on the team requirement etc. he even sent KAIF to open in SL . an dnow he claims SG is wounding the "delicate" (ROFL) egos of these players.

    THAT man is LOONY.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:17  

  • worma, regarding "... the tour manager, who has already started giving statements refuting GC's claims ..."

    Colour me confused. Just which statement of GC has he refuted? All the reports I've seen quote him as saying "No, Ganguly didn't miss any training sessions." And GC never claimed he did, did he? Except for the one exceptional time at Bulawayo when he walked off in a snit. But they only talked for half an hour -- no one says he didn't return to the training.

    By Blogger idlivada, at 10:18  

  • Excellent, unbiased, precise and to the point article on the current embroglio

    http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=5&theme=&usrsess=1&id=91059

    Mind you, this from a Kolkata news paper, which really does not take sides, but provides objective views

    By Blogger Dementor, at 10:20  

  • worma,
    Enjoy your vacation :). Dont think you'll miss a lot by way of repair work on these issues from the BCCI's side.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:21  

  • Shri dropping SG will lead to the end of groupism in the team. It is bcoz of the leader that these boys have so much head weight. Drop him and most of them are young enof to be brought back on track by some tough practice and some words of wisdom and may be even some ego massaging. But these boys may be too proud to agree or adjust to GC’s harsh methods, also GC himself may turn out to be vindictive henceforth (especially bhajji is a possible target). This team still needs players like VS, HS, AN, ZK, LB ….. but they must be fully fit( for that they will have to train like hell) and have a cooperative, respectful and positive attitude. They are all still in their 20’s and can be moulded a little , but until SG is around things won’t change.

    So my final take is that SG should be out (out of the team not just captain) and GC may either be out of the team or strongly counseled in private about changing some his methods. No need to be less tough, but his media management for example is poor and a ban or annoyance on whistling and singing (as indicated by cricinfo) is stretching it too much. Also in case GC carries on the new captain must sit with the coach and these players (erstwhile SG camp) and make sure that things are all forgiven (if not forgotten) and we make a fresh start.

    My captain would either be RD or SRT because these two guys along with VS are the only ones sure of their place in the ODI and test side when fully fit.VS seems to be too young and immature and still strongly linked to the SG camp to be made the captain. I always felt in any case that MK would be the India catian in 3 to 5 years time. Depending on the team’s opinion on GC (not just the SG camp the whole team) and what he has to say about the complaints and his willingness to handle issues more tactfully and smartly in the future we will have to look at the coach. We all have to agree that GC would have been smarter in his handling of this issue, I am not saying he was too quick but too straight forward.

    The basic import of the previous post from me on the blog was even if we did away with GC it was worth it to clean up the mess created by SG ( assuming email is right which needs to be checked 1st up).

    By Blogger Avinash, at 10:24  

  • guys, i was curious about GC asking SG to open in tests!! what was that supposed to do? is asking him to open a shortcut to oust SG? why break the growing confidence of GG and VS? just curious?

    By Blogger Mayur, at 10:26  

  • This from Arvind Lavakare

    http://us.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/26arvind.htm

    By Blogger SHRI, at 10:28  

  • I thought Sanjay Manjrekar's article is the best piece I have read in a long time. He seems as good as Harsha Bhogle in his writing

    By Blogger csh, at 10:29  

  • hate to say I told you so, but Mock turtle, Crictip & dadagiri, if you guys remember, I did mentioned yesterday that HS might issue a retraction. His earlier statement was way too speculative & objective to deserve credit. Poor guy must have got worried looking at all the ocverage in the TV.

    By Blogger flute, at 10:30  

  • mock if as u wish GC is gone...may we know who your choice of coach would be? Just curious.

    By Blogger csh, at 10:32  

  • Worma, Loose Loose because even if Chappel turn out to be right and Ganguly gone, there will be after effects that have to be dealt with, either thru administration if that survives and then the players from Ganguly camp if they survive in team. Yes, the players will have personal and India's interest, but tendency to get even with Chappel in some way will not disappear completely. Hence, I do not expect the best of atmosphere / chemistry in near future.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 10:34  

  • although i support GC's intentions i have to admit there are a few inconsistensies in his letter.
    if GC felt that SG was out of form and was apprehensive about fast bowling, new ball in particular, why on earth would he ask SG to open the innings
    hadnt seen too many reports of GC mailing opinions and comments to journalists, but now since rahul has mentioned it lets see if anyone else picks on it.
    if i'm not mistaken GC's contract has something about how to handle his media commitments. was he supposed to stop writing? havent seen any of his articles ever since he took charge

    By Blogger JD, at 10:34  

  • Hope it is not JD!!!! ( sorry apologies in advance thot this wud add some humor in our humorless team events)

    By Blogger Avinash, at 10:34  

  • Pradeep Magazine with HT paper did mention about this GC's tendency to send emails to all his journo friends in the media, he also mentioned how GC called some of the guys in the team 'cancer' to team's spirit & fitness

    By Blogger flute, at 10:36  

  • Cricinfo seems to show a new restraint these days. Hope it lasts. Have they finally seen through GC?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:37  

  • Rahul Battacharyas piece is the probably the most balanced analysis of this mess.

    I like it because for the first time some one in the media actually took the pains to analyze Chappells record as a coach.

    Mind you not his record as a captain or player but as a coach. From media reports from the time he was considered that was one thing completely missing.

    Everyone assured us that he was a legend and a Aussie so we cannot go wrong. No one really told us what his record as a coach was.

    By the way I am not a Ganguly supporter and I think he should be dropped but I certainly dont like the lynch mob that is gathering around him to hang him without hearing him out.

    By Blogger Hari, at 10:37  

  • Have a good laugh..
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/robbo/4282294.stm

    By Blogger Dementor, at 10:38  

  • what exactly is expected out of the review meeting? They arent going to announce the captain for the next series.. so what do u expect them to announce? That they have talked to all parties and all matters have been amicably settled all misunderstandings cleared.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:38  

  • Was thinking during this mess.. how did Kapil Dev (he was rarely injured in his career - compare him to the current "fitness regimed" ZK, AN,LB etc) and Sunny Gavaskar (he was facing the likes of garner, roberts, marshall, holding, lillee, thommo, imran, sarfaraz - all without a helmet!)consistently perform in this "mess of a system" called indian cricket. Hats off to these two - I guess, there is something to be said about heart and pride ..which is what GC is trying to impart in the team(i think).
    Anyways, in the best interests of the team - both GC and SG should go. No individual prevails over the team..and both have enough qs to answer.

    By Blogger losing now, at 10:41  

  • What is "MBE" anyway? I can think of many apt expansions for shall restrain myself ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:41  

  • jd, exactly!! i was shocked to see that GC asked SG to open. where does that come from? is he suggesting that GG be dropped or shud VS be dropped to accomodate MK and YS? if he was trying to help SG, how is opening against Streak et al going to help? i have great respect for GC and understand where he is comming from, but cud't understand his suggestion to SG to take up the opening role!!

    By Blogger Mayur, at 10:42  

  • Avinash! I agree with most of your post except may about GC being smarter about the whole issue. We tend to forget the fact that GC did not come into the open with his opinions on SG, BCCI leaked it and it is not fair to say GC was not tactful. Also, we cannot blame GC and say he sohuld have expected this email to come out etc. So far, it seems like GC played by the rule and did not utter a single word to the media, no even against SG.

    About GC's coaching methods, I am not sure, we saw so little of it and frankly I think we are clubbing two unrelated issues.
    IMHO, a coach emailed the board giving his feedback on his captain, making some really serious comments, the board must deal with it first. Period. The problem comes when the board tries to make it sound like this is a match between SG & GC and the more you make it that, the bigger the loss to the team and cricket.

    When you are dealing with coach's feedback, do not make it a review of the coach too. That way, loose canons like HS will be shut up.

    Once the storm dies down, take a fresh look at GC and if neccessary make your decisions.

    By Blogger flute, at 10:44  

  • losing now,
    Who says Kapil and Gavaskar never got injured. During those days, people would be unfit and still play. Not saying that these two did it, but where is the proof that they did no either. The standards these days have gone up considerably.

    There was the case of Raman Lamba, who went to Engalnd with teh team as an opening batsmen, this already having a hairline fracture in his hand. He got selected, went on teh entire tour, did not play a game and came back..

    By Blogger Dementor, at 10:45  

  • tiger
    that's exactly what is going to come out of the review meeting.
    If the journos ask, "Sir, what about the future of indian cricket?"
    JD would reply "The matter has not come up in the discussion" LOL

    By Blogger csh, at 10:46  

  • MBE - Member of British Empire. It is an order of the British Empire (the top being a knight - KBE .. also, referred to as "sir") conferred by the queen. Read on wikipedia. BTW, gavaskar declined to be a kinght because when you accept the order of British Empire you accept "For god and for the empire" - which no self-respecting Indian should do (IMHO).

    By Blogger losing now, at 10:46  

  • MBE = Member of the British Empire.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:46  

  • Hi,
    I was thinking, if SG goes, who will be out captain? SRT-no way, RD- we will just lose another consistent performer, out of the regulars, my money will be on VS, because, he doesnt seem to be too bothered by pressure, although I dont know how good a cricket brain he possesses. Definitely, we need to excuse RD, we dont want to burden him too much.

    Now that the bad sides of GC are coming out, I think we need to give him a tough word or two- he has a horrible record as coach, and I dont think he will be very successful with us either. Tom Moody would have been a better choice.

    SG surely needs to sit out of the test side, but honestly, theres no point to drop him from the ODIs and I am sure he has it in him to succeed in ODI till 2007 at least. Cmmon guys, because his test form has been poor, we cant ignore him in ODIs, he was very recently among the very bests, and still is.

    My solution- tough word or two for both GC and SG- keep SG captain for tests and ODIs, but because he will not be able to perform in tests anyway, drop him after the next tour ( warn him now anyway), if he performs, good for him. Keep him captain in ODIs till 2007.

    Adios

    By Blogger laxanirban, at 10:51  

  • ROFL@Greg adding that to his name.

    smacks of arrogance and pomposity. sorry, i feel the same about people who always add a "phD" to their names as well.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:51  

  • csh - infact JD already said that they are like 2 kids and that this email was written before the settlement.. All they have to do is remind each other that they have already resolved this issue as the email was written prior to the handshake and thus is irrelevant now. But the problem may be GC will insist that they discuss SG's future as captain and that where the board might come in and say, well, the selection for the next ODI series is some time away, so we will discuss it at that point.. there you have it.. all items covered, now lets have some samosa and cold drinks!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:53  

  • Prem,
    Any insight into tomorrow's meeting? What do your sources say? Times 'Tabloid' of India' says that the bookies are favoring Ganguly to ride out the storm. Does this mean, GC is on the go?

    By Blogger Dementor, at 10:54  

  • Imagine a scenario (which is highly likely given the fact that Jaggu is still calling the shots), GC is shown the door, SG is retained as captain. The brat will be rewarded for his bratmanship, the new coach will be an absolute puppet in his hands, the team will be like a retinue of servants - yes it will be a Maharajah's entourage - and to the world it will be another case of the Emperor's clothes.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 10:54  

  • lol tiger

    By Blogger SHRI, at 10:57  

  • i hate to say this but i agree with mock for once :-)
    its one thing to add it ur email signature but i beleive he signed off GC, MBE (i could be wrong on this but cant be bothered to go and check than mail once more)

    By Blogger JD, at 10:58  

  • IMO,
    JD does not back lame horses. Even he knows that SG is not useful anymore and he has served his time. He knows that with SG, the money will dry up soon as ratings will fall, because the team will keep loosing..

    The nest way out would be for them letting SG go gracefully, meaning out of captaincy now, but continue as an ODI batsman. If he is able to score runs, well and good, may come back into the test team, but if he does not score in the next 2 series at home, then he is gone forever as the 'most successful captain' of India.

    Time to welcome RD full throttle I guess..

    By Blogger Dementor, at 10:59  

  • Checking the latest Rediff team rankings India is ranked 4th in tests and 8th in ODIs (ICC rankings tests:3 and ODI:7). Yeah ... this team is top of the world, why do we need new thinking about playing the game. We wanted to be mediocre and we achieved it!

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 11:02  

  • By Blogger P K, at 11:04  

  • loosing,

    I agree Gavaskar did the right thing rejecting the Knighthood. Do you recall Bedi called his decision "stupid"

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 11:06  

  • cricktip.. that was in realtion to being made a "member" at Lords. Gavaskar was not happy about thafact that a steward had not allowed him in inspite of being a player..

    As far as Bedi is concerned, the Bedi gavaskar spat is legendary

    By Blogger SHRI, at 11:08  

  • Mock Turtle, you are either
    - totally consumed by "Bengali pride" (which completely takes one's objectivity away and makes him/her sectarian to the detriment of Indian cricket) OR

    - being paid (by SG or JD - be honest :-)). Common, tell me your real name like most of the people on this board do. Interestingly, some of the people who don't reveal their real names are the most vocal/blind supporters of SG like blwe_torch, dadagiri, mock turtle.

    Forget about GC/SG affair. Even if this had not come out, just on the basis of performance, SG should have been chucked out of Indian team after the Pakistan tour of India, let alone captain the Indian team.

    Sometimes I wish that GC is chucked out and SG is retained. Then we can all watch SG make a complete ass of himself in the coming home series. Then, even Kolkata and Bengali supporters won't want him.

    By Blogger Deepak, at 11:08  

  • Knighthood when offered, it is a personal choice to take it or leave it. There is no wrong in it. Would you call Sir C.V. Raman, the first Indian scientist to win the Nobel prize stupid or the great Engineer Sir M.Vishveshwaraiyya as un-patriotic?

    If GC writes MBE, then he is produ of an honour that is bestowed on him, If someone adds PHD to their name, it only means they are proud of their achievements, no degradation or slamming necessary

    By Blogger Dementor, at 11:10  

  • Can anyone give pure cricketing reasons based on which Ganguly deserves a place in the team, as a player or captain?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:10  

  • Ruchir,
    Sorry mate, you have me stumped. Can not find a single reason which bats for his place in the team. Oh, find a lot of past reasons, 'Past success, Past runs, Past wins'

    By Blogger Dementor, at 11:12  

  • dementor:

    *LOL*

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:14  

  • Everyone suddenly seems to be waking upto the "horrible coaching record" of GC. Was the board blind to this? Or could it be that for once they showed some rare piece of cricketing acumen or was it a case of pockets being lined (perhaps Tarannum might know)?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 11:14  

  • Shri : i have read Lavdakare's ;)articles before and personally think he has already made up his mind and his so called solutions are basically are weighted to come in favor GC's favor. Testimony and cross examination...this sounds more like a trial and who is to be believed i n the end. Put SG on the defensive and watch him crack and then use a sledge hammer to break him down. The problem really is that Ganguly rightly or wrongly is too much his own man and GC's inputs are probably listened to but not always implemented. I personally like that in SG. No other indian player is as HATED as SG by the media, so-called fans, ex-cricketers etc. But remember one thing GC will NEVER EVER know his players like SG does. That's why SG could the get the best out of them current loss in team ODI form not withstanding. Plus SG has fitness issues and worse is in bad form. So, GC has basically has gone for SG's jugular. I think this was a classic set up by GC using mind games. Why did he ask SG where is he is likely to bat before the 1st test? Did he not KNOW that SG has always batted at 5. If GC absolutely wanted Kaif/ Yuvraj in the test team he should have said look Kaif & Yuvraj have to play since they are in form and should open. Or Yuvraj opens (which he has done in the recent past. Instead wahta he was tryign to do was to find out whether SG was fearful of the new ball..so he said SG you open so as to catch him off guard and go for SG's purported weakness and put him on the defensive. Mental Disintegration. This was a SET UP to achieve the result that GC wanted. The decision that SG had to go was made long ago by GC. Its the execution that had to be worked out.
    My feeling is things dont look good for SG. The "leak" of hte e-mail has worked very much to GC's advantage in the world of public opinion..I am not saying he caused it but the leak is a boon for GC !

    There's a famous quote in legal circle...Justice has as much to do with Truth as a Hot Dog has to do with a Puppy.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 11:14  

  • Gavaskar was not offered nor rejected the MBE offer.

    I think you are confusing him rejecting permanent MCC membership with the MBE one.

    MBE is only offered to citizens of countries that accept the English Monarchy as the seat of power. So only citizens of Canada, Aus, NZ and UK are made MBEs or granted Knighthood.

    CV Raman was knighted when India was a British colony.

    By Blogger mamu, at 11:18  

  • Guess this guy (prasad) also has a sash around his eyes a la the Justice figurine.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 11:18  

  • prasad... I hear you...

    Ganguly being his own man is a quality that I have admired in the man for a long time.. Him teeing off the media and others is thier problem and not his..

    And I also hear you when you say that he has a better handle on his players, more than most..

    However, consider this.. He has been in a slump for a while now...Mentally and physically, that does take a lot out of you... You do not know where the next run is coming from, and you are made to look like an idiot every time you face the short ball.

    he still commands a place in the side on virtue of being captain.. which puts a player in form, like kaif for instance, on the sidelines as you can only play 11 players.

    Also, because of this poor run, who knows what ghosts Ganguly has to battle with in his mind.. Is he tuned in all the time on teh field? Is he pro active in his field setting and tinking about the game on the whole?

    And in such circumstances, is he the best person to lead the side?

    And if he is not the best person to lead this side, his batsmanship does not merit him a place in the side as player alone.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 11:22  

  • A word of advice to RD and the remainder of the team ...mate, you better listen and IMPLEMENT whatever GC says or you are toast !

    By Blogger Prasad, at 11:29  

  • Jason Gillespie, fails one series and is dropped. Damien Martin, fails one series and is dropped. Akash Chopra, fails one series, is dropped. Yuvraj Singh, fails one test match, is dropped,

    Poor Kaif, he must be wondering, plays so well in the Aus home series, does not get picked again, Gnaguly, keeps failing and does not want to get dropped!

    What else can we say? Go GC Go

    By Blogger Dementor, at 11:31  

  • Shri: I Agree with much of what u say re: SG's form and probably switched into the ODI game. He's probably burnt out as an ODI captain. Who wouldn't after taking hte crap that he has put with and now with a coach who is basically gunning for him. What I would do f i were in his place is quit as captain for the ODI's. Get in to the ODI side as a player and see whether he can still WIN matches for India. If not quit ODI's completely.
    I personally think he should continue as Test captain. There's no case against him for a sacking. Basically get himself a rope in tests and either swing back to form or get hung by the same rope. I want to believe SG will be the first to leave go if his form is not up to the mark. BUT, Let's NOT let GC decide what the Indain Team should be. This whole fiasco is because job responsibilities have not been clearly define in Idnain cricket. What is hte role of a coach, captain, vice captain, selector, Board ? Ironically, GC would do well to speak to his brother Ian who thinks a coach is a waste of time. Ian beleives that it is hte captain's team. Coach arranges practices and sorts out technical issues and *sugggests* strategies.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 11:43  

  • Shri... I personally think GC's contract should be re-worked and he should given a *lifetime* appointment as Director of National Cricket Academy, Bangalore. Then by WC2011 we will have the first of hopefully many installments of a pure aryan race of indian cricketers with an aussie outlook on cricket. We will then always be in with a chance of winning all our cricketer matches year after year. And then we can all go:
    "Hail Chappell" !

    By Blogger Prasad, at 11:51  

  • Sunny Gavaskar & shastri in the committee is crap. The only person who shd be in the committee is venkat.

    Sunny and Shastri have way too many connections either way and they have talked about cricket for so long. without actually doing anything for the game, they just want to keep making money out of this bottomless bank

    By Blogger sauravganguly, at 11:59  

  • Prasad, thanks for supporting me. But I think Saurav is over and out.

    By Blogger sauravganguly, at 11:59  

  • Prasad.. lol

    I wont go that far, but the fact remains that for two seasons now, following India's historic win in Pakistan, this team has been underperforming.. More in the ODI arean than tests.. where we are a pretty decent team.

    It does not matter who the captain or coach is.. do we have the werewithal to take this team to the next level? or are we so content with what we have achieved so far that we are not willing to put in the effort reqd?

    By Blogger SHRI, at 12:02  

  • I and my class mates have been having several problems since the Head Teacher of our class changed about three months back. He gives us more intensive class material, very difficult exams and analysis which are right on the mark but on your face. He says he is doing this to radically improve our collective worth so we can be better prepared for the finals 2 years from now. When I insisted that he give his opinion on how well I was doing in the class and how well I was doing as the Class Leader, he said that I am struggling on both and suggested that I volunteer to quit my position as a Class Leader so my class performance would improve. How dare he? I have been the Class Leader for over 5 years now and have always received good grades from my previous teachers. Now this new guy thinks I am at least currently not upto par. The old man is positively nuts. Some of my class mates also think he is an id*ot, that his tests are way too difficult and that he is too strict in terms of discipline and performance. Most of our parents and patrons think he is right in doing these things so that we can be the best class in the world, or at least a whole lot better than what we are now. But what do they know? They should just pay the money and be happy with our current performance. The solution is he should either quit and let us do what we want to do, or relax everything and simply limit himself to giving excellent grades to all of us.

    By Blogger mip_co, at 12:11  

  • Mip_co. I am one of your classmates. One thing you did not mention about our teacher is that he also is speaking ONLY in chinese to us so we don't know what the questions he is asking us. So, we don't know what he is saying or what to write and obviously what to write. All our classmates have learnt in different mediums of instruction but none of us have learnt in chinese before. Thanks for highlighting our problem though and standing up for us for so long..in english.

    Jokes apart..good article..Mp_co :))

    By Blogger Prasad, at 12:26  

  • Shri.. No we do not have the werewith all to be world beaters consistently.. our cricketers are products of broken systems and basically have *survived* bad coaching perhaps but are genuinely talented. Prem Panickerin another blog mentions how are under 19 team always does well against international U-19 teams but then fall waya. The GC as Hitler joke apart I truly believe that GC should be coaching those U-19's at the NCA. He may be the right person for that kind of an assignment. Basically at the U-19 level he can brainwash them and try all his experimentations. He has little or no chance of changing the current lot. We are going to end up with a bunch of unhappy cricketers and that is a clear indicator of any likelihood of success. I pity Rahul Dravid who will be anointed as captain shortly.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 12:59  

  • Prasad, I don't understand how you can suggest that Ganguky retain his place in the test team!! Based on his current form, he does not merit a place in the India A team, let alone the test or the odi teams.

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:08  

  • Ashvin. Selectors are generally reticent about firing a captain who just won a series (yeah yeah it was just Zim.. but still) and also scored a century in the series (yeah yeah its against Zim.. but still). They will want to make sure that he's not worth investing into any more. Then if he fails for two tests ..he's history. As I wrote in a earleir comment.. basically the selectors will hand him a rope in teh SL test series and SG can either use it to swing back to form or hang himself. I feel Selectors are not heartless.. they know a cricketers struggles and the burden of captaincy. Remember we are now # 3 in test rankings... when the ICC ratings started we were about # 7. Selectors also know that SG did not score 15,000 international runs by accident. They should at least try to find out whether SG without pressures of captaincy can still score runs and win matches for India. Anyway, what does India have to lose at this stage.. I mean who would you rather have face Murali in a test match... Ganguly or Yuvraj, his possible replacement? I believe that SG deserves a chance in tests to make or break it for himself.
    It would serve you well to remember Inzy's career was at a similar cross road after WC'03 and many had written him off. Now he finds himself in the world ODI XI.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 13:40  

  • Very interesting blog this is. I think we may not have got so much analysis when Mumbai was wiped out by rains. Indian public did so much analysis when people were suffering in Mumbai or currently floods in A.P. Whatever.
    As a cricket passionate nation, spending lots of hours watching cricket, which in turn, is used by corporates like BCCI, Sponsor companies make lots of money. This money is again used to fill the pockets of money-hungry big-wigs of the BCCI and their employees (I mean players!!). Then one fine day, there will be differences between them, where in media will jump in and make it a big issue, and we Indian public again contribute our time and put in our comments and some more people make money out of it. What do we gain out of this God only knows. But may be it gives us fun by pinpointing others.
    Ok by this time, all the blog readers might be thinking what is going on with me??!
    In my opinion, this issue started of as a small issue between 2 persons concerned, GC and SG.
    SG is the best captain india ever had and obviously he is proud of that fact and suddenly someone (GC) comes and starts telling this is correct or incorrect and he doesn't like it. And that is when he went ahead and made the issue public in frustration. On the other hand Coach Mr. GC, wanted to start working towards getting great team for 2007 WC as he had promised in his presentation for the coach job, wanted to start changes now itself and bring up an Aussie like attitude into the Indian team the sooner so that he can show some promise to the indian public. This as per the statistics, and records demanded removing weaker links in the team as per performance, and SG is the last to perform as a 'BATSMAN' in recent times and hence he should not be part of the team.
    Well, GC considers approaches his task thorough professionally, and he is very upfront in what he expects. This might look like a terror for some players (who think their place is for granted) which might not for others (mostly hard working). To add to this masala some players have SG's backing, which you could figure out from his selections for final 11 in recent years and obviously they have a soft corner for SG.

    By Blogger kumar, at 13:55  

  • I have seen the logic's of mock_turtle, prasad and blow_tourch too long.. all of them are just way out of the logic stream..

    Here is what I think in order for you to ponder over..
    1) There are two guys who have breached the BCCI contract that says anyhting that hurts Indian cricket is not tolerable by the players... who breached this contract.. First Ganguly and than Bhajji.. these two have to be fired based on this.. Straight, no questions asked and purely based on evidence..
    2) GC never said anything to the media.. If his email has been leaked, its by the BCCI officials.. These board guys have to take moral responsibility and resign..
    3) The non-performer gang which includes Zaheer, AN,AA have to be cut for the team atleast till the end of next Ranji season after which we evaluate the performance of these as well as the guys who replaces them.. Based on that future course of action has to be decided.
    4) RD as Captain and MK and vice captain.. Alert Sehwag, if he does not make runs in ODI, he is on his way out of ODI team.
    5) Plenty of hopefulls are out of the team because of SG's politics. Gagandeep Singh from Punjab(Fast bowler), Dheeraj Jadhav, VRV Singh, Ramkumar from Tamilnadu, Amit Misra(leg spinner) should be in the team insted of non-performer gang.
    6)Yuvi in oneday only.. Criteria avg of 40 +, if not bye bye.. AN only in tests, Set a timeframe and farewell for him at the end of the current season..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 13:56  

  • excellent mip_co

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:00  

  • read this.. here is the truth from a diplomat of a writer

    and remember, it was written before the fiasco..


    http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulleistory.php?content_id=54238

    crux
    Sourav Ganguly has struggled in Zimbabwe, especially when confronted by bowling of the highest class. He looked at sea against Shane Bond, his feet refusing to submit to the needs of the shot; or, dare one say, actually submitting to the state of his mind. He was neither forward nor back, anticipating the fast short-pitched ball and struggling against one of fuller length. He needs to get runs to convince himself that he can play against bowling of that level but he cannot get those runs unless he convinces himself that he is still able. Like most things about life, batting can be a vicious circle. And to be honest, he doesn’t look like he can break through it.

    Against lesser bowling, he looked capable, a great catch or a strategically placed fielder undoing him. It’s a cruel way of life but when you are down, the brilliant catch materialises, the flick which would otherwise have gone six inches higher finds the fingertips. But you pick a player not to be capable against decent bowling but to counter the quality stuff.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:05  

  • Sorry i abruptly closed this discussion earlier. But the point is issue between 2 personalities in a game is being used by various people (BCCI politics, Media, etc..) to get something out of this pie. But note that we Indian public donot gain anything out of it. Note that these 11 folks represent India in various games and hence to some extent us and by doing all these things they are projecting us in a bad sense. So, I want us Indian public to teach a lesson to BCCI, Media etc. that we are not for granted here for your bad administrations, assumptions etc.. etc. I have some suggestions for these so that these guys behave more thoroughly and professionaly.

    1. Stop watching cricket matches for say 3 months from now onwards. Until this whole mess is thoroughly cleaned up, all truths are revealed, and able people lead/ administer
    2. Ban the products advertised by the Indian team until they change their attitudes, and make the game without the issues like match fixing etc.

    By doing these I donot think we indian people are not being hard on anyone. We have waited for so many years seeing this game of cricket messed up in various ways, and now it is time for all of us to get together and do something about it this nonsense going on with us.

    Note by doing above things we are giving them warning, hey guys behave yourself or better donot involve in the game!!

    By Blogger kumar, at 14:08  

  • Sunil,
    I agree with the analysis completely. While all the other Indian batsmen just tore apart Bond to give us one after another memorable victories, ONLy Ganguly looked all at sea against Bond. So let's replace him with a player who can just tear apart the likes of McGrath, Lee and Bond. We have plenty of them in Kaif, Yuvraj, Mongia, Badani, Sriram, Rao, Raina etc. Each one of them has got excellent records against such bowling attack. So why are they being left out? Watch out Bond, Lee, McGrath, Harmison. Ganguly is going to be replaced very soon and your life will become miserable.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 14:14  

  • Kumar,
    It may have started between two personalities, but it's no longer between the two of them. Even if you chuck out Ganguly, GC has his work cut out as far as the dressing room is concerned. It'll be foolish to assume that some of the players are unhappy with GC only because he asks them to work hard. These players know very well that this logic is not going to go down well with anyone. There's more to it than GC being just a hard taskmaster.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 14:18  

  • dadagiri,

    Did you see his "all at sea" look after being bowled by spinner the great "Shahid Afridi".. and it did not happen once.. all the time..

    Ganguly is a walking wicket. Bowlers are not able to decide which trick to use against him because there are so many.. 2-minute noodle.. ahh..

    and he has been like this for 2 full years.. 2 full years you note that...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:25  

  • Flute,
    You said "hate to say I told you so, but Mock turtle, Crictip & dadagiri, if you guys remember, I did mentioned yesterday that HS might issue a retraction"

    So what do you expect when PCA has issued him notice? But does the retraction mean anything? Remember GC's threat 'Either Sourav or me' and then the denial, truce, signed statement, playing pool. Did that denial mean anything? Obviously not because the same night he was busy typing a six page long email. So when GC can bow down temporarily, why not Bhajji who is just a player? Similarly, this retraction by HS doesn't mean anything. The damage (if any and to anyone) has already been done and the people concerned are aware which version is true.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 14:25  

  • Bind was just an icing on the cake.. ONLY THE ICING..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:26  

  • Dadagiri.. here are some fact you can shove up..

    1) Zaheer Khan just jumps and sprays.. Ofcourse he find it soothing if the captain is a bigger flop..

    2) Against the great line ups of Zim and NZ, you know how many wickets Bhajji took in the current ODI series(SL tri-series is even more pathetic).. 2 at what avg.. 100+.. in how many matches.. 5

    And its the non-performer gang speaking for him... Irfan pathan is happy.. 21 wickets on the same pitches and same opponent, same time when Zaheer managed 6-8..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:30  

  • Soory
    Bond was just an icing on the cake.. ONLY THE ICING..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:31  

  • Sunil,
    Yes Sunil, I did watch. Even a 2year old knows that Ganguly was at his lowest best in that series. Will give you another example. There was a time even the great SRT was troubled a lot by slow left arm spinners like Ray Price. But the same SRT had been Warne's nightmare. Before your brain thinks that I am comparing SRT to SG, let me clarify that I used that just as an example. If you give you examples of how Ganguly has murdered any attack in the past (pace and spin included), will it convince you? Surely not. Similarly, that series is history now. SG has to bat well consistently from now on (doesn't mean century in every innings). He did a pretty decent job in ZIm. Agreed that Zim attack is no big deal, but they have Streak. Also, one can see the way someone is playing. If SG was in same form as he was in during that Pak series, he'd have struggled against Namibia bowling. He didn't jump out of the crease to hit out, instead he played a painfully slow innings concentrating hard. We didn't know about the BIG incident at that time. Now we know. So keep in mind what he was going through. Proves that how tough he's mentally. About your comment on 'walking wicket', if you think that someone can score 15K runs being a walking wicket, then it shows the bowlers around the world in very poor light. If you say the bowlers have discovered SG's weakness in the past 2 years, that also shows them in poor light. And yes, feel free to check the stats how many of those 15k runs were scored against the minnows.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 14:36  

  • Really? So what has Zaheer said for or against SG? If you are referring to the 'alleged' report that some players are against GC, then why leave out other names? Are VS and YS also non performers?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 14:40  

  • JD, SG, and their cronies will kick out GC:

    At the end of all this controversy, GC will be kicked out of the coach's post for being upright and pulling up players who don't want to work hard. SRT and RD will never take any stand though at the deepest of their hearts they know that SG should go and it will do good to Indian cricket. Cricket fans are being taken for a ride by the Indian cricket team for a long time now and this will continue to happen. The best thing is not to watch our team play. If the selectors are 1% patriotic, GC will stay and SG and his pals in the team should go. Young players who are supporting SG now because he stood by them once should realize that their loyalties lie with their country and the cricket fans and not an individual who doesn't deserve a place in the team based on his current form. SG is now desperately trying to hang on by any method possible. The review committee comprised of JD, RSM, RS, SG, & SV will ask both parties to shut up and work together, but they're not going to do anything further. From now on, either GC will jump into SG's camp and take his coach's salary every year and keep mum like JW did or if he is uncompromising he'll be kicked out. He is not going to lose anything either way. Why should he be bothered if the Indian cricket's ultimate authority is not bothered about the Indian cricket team. The BCCI itself has too many problems to think about a world-beating Indian cricket team.

    By Blogger Pradeep, at 17:14  

  • Hello dadagiri:
    The 2 year old kid not just knows that Ganguly was at his lowest in that series. But the 2 year old (I think you agree that bowlers around the world are more than 2 years old) also knows the Ganguly's 2 weaknesses, namely i) Short ball right into his ribs (ii) Ball in the off-side corridor just landing on good-length on the off-stump swinging away.

    By Blogger devatha, at 19:22  

  • DADAGIRI

    iN UR EAGERNESS TO BAIT gANGULY u ARE TALKING OF ALL CRICKETER NAMES TO FACE THE PACE OF lEE, mCGRATH, SO CALLED SPEEDESTER bOND ETC. wHOM DID u TALK ABOUT, THE SPENT FORCE OF mONGIA, tHE NONE TOO SUCCESSFUL bADANI, the Ranji trophy only Hero Sriram and Kaif.

    Imagine a situation in a one day match where India are 2 or 3 down for 30 or 40 and the target is 320 to 330. Do U really expect people like kaif do all the scoring. And then the Dravid. Let him come into the captain ship He will know the nuances of batting fast. It is easy to give so called ' stand' when people like Sehawag, Yuvraj etc are taking all the risky shots and Dravid gives stand with no areail shots and hitting straight to the fielder.

    I am not supporting SG. But at the same time all the people U have mentioned do not have proven credentials except in rANJI TROPHY. They might have hit an occassional 100 or saved twice or thrice. But they are not consistent.

    be cool in thinking yaar and dont say what ever names come to ur mouth.

    By Blogger vijaykumar, at 01:02  

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